Posts by Lady Liberty

WELCOME to the forum! I too was raised as a 3rd Generation Witness. And like you, discovered that the organization is not at all what I had built it to be in my own mind. Its hard especially when you are discovering all the hidden things the organization doesn't want you to find, to hold it all in. But beware. My husband who was at the time a MS confided our questions with his mother who in turn decided to open her mouth and tell everyone! It ultimately led to our being labeled apostates. It was a painful road of frusteration. Many of our loved ones have nothing to do with us anymore, all because ofd questions they cannot and refuse to answer. So be careful in how much you tell anyone, unless you are ready to deal with what will inevitably happen. I gaurentee, unless your mother has questions of her own, she will most likely not be able to keep what you tell her to herself. She will most likely run to the elders. It is a very frusterating place to be.. we know. Hang in there!! We are here for you!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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SCAN OF THE LATEST QUESTIONS FROM READERS!

by deaconbluez in

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Lady Liberty

Dear Deacon,

I ALWAYS fall for the first couple of sentences of your articles!!!! LOLOLO!!!!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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CHRISTMAS: December 25th DOES have a Biblical foundation! CHECK IT OUT!

by Lady Liberty in

my mother and i were talking about christmas being in december, and how the christians felt it was truely a victory to have christ jesus birth still celebrated, unlike the pagan sun god that was celebrated by the pagans at the same time.

we got to talking and realized that if you count backwards from when scholars really feel jesus was most likely really born (in september), and count back 280 days of pregnancy, it would actually be late december!!!

could it be that the birthday was from the date of conception, not delivery???

Lady Liberty

Blondie posted this another thread. Thank you Blondie!!!!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

Thus, it is again proven that Jesus' birth was about one year and three months before our common era, A.D. 1; for, his ministry ending when he was thirty-three and a half years old, April 3rd, A.D. 33, the date of his birth may be readily found by measuring backward to a date thirty-three and a half years prior to April 3rd, A.D. 33. Thirty-two years and three months before April A.D. 33 would be January 3rd, A.D. 1, and one year and three months further back would bring us to October 3rd, B.C. 2, as the date of our Lord's birth at Bethlehem. The difference between lunar time, used by the Jews, and solar time, now in common use, would be a few days, so that we could not be certain that the exact day might not be in September about the 27th, but October 1st, B.C. 2, is about correct. Nine months back of that date would bring us to about Christmas time, B.C. 3, as the date at which our Lord laid aside the glory which he had with the Father before the world was [made] and the taking of or changing to human nature began. It seems probable that this was the origin of the celebration of December 25th as Christmas Day. Some writers on Church history claim, even, that Christmas Day was originally celebrated as the date of the annunciation by Gabriel

Studies in the Scriptures, Vol 2, The Time is at hand, B61

http://www.ctrussell.us/

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common objections to celebrating Christmas

by lovelylil in

i wanted to post this research i did that helped convince my husband a few years back that it was o.k.

to celebrate christmas, despite the objections he was taught by the watchtower.

hopefully this will help others out there ease their conscience about this particular day.

Lady Liberty

bttt

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CHRISTMAS: December 25th DOES have a Biblical foundation! CHECK IT OUT!

by Lady Liberty in

my mother and i were talking about christmas being in december, and how the christians felt it was truely a victory to have christ jesus birth still celebrated, unlike the pagan sun god that was celebrated by the pagans at the same time.

we got to talking and realized that if you count backwards from when scholars really feel jesus was most likely really born (in september), and count back 280 days of pregnancy, it would actually be late december!!!

could it be that the birthday was from the date of conception, not delivery???

Lady Liberty

bttt

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The Birth Of Jesus

by bite me in

hope everyone is enjoying their time as the holiday season(s) come near.

recently there was a post (a really interesting and well put together post) ; i can't remember who wrote it.

but it was well written, just wanted to let you know that your time in putting that together was awesome.

Lady Liberty

Dear Bite me,

This may be the thread you were refering to. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/149094/1.ashx If not Lovelylil did a great job!

Merry Christmas!!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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Why is 537BCE important?

by whereami in

in very layman's terms can some help me why this date is important to the jw 607 theory?

i'm trying to show my wife that the wts is wrong on the 607 date.

i told her that no respected scholar agrees with that date.

Lady Liberty

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/111407/1.ashx(Scroll down to the 2nd page for super sizescans of the book)

Dear Whereami,

I think this may be of great intrest to you as well. It shows how by changing the date to 607 from what it factually is, it has a domino effect and changes many other dates the Society uses. Then the Society lies and inserts dates while quoting experts, trying to decieve both you and I!See what I mean from this older thread:

O.K. Everyone,

Here are the scanned copies I promised I would post. Thanks to my WONDERFUL husband, he made it all possible, as he is a computer whiz! These copies show the out and out deception on the part of the organization. Once again, we find proof of them misquoting different scholars in order for the organization to appear to have credentials for proof of their date system. If I never checked their date out and never had any reason to doubt them, then I would have never have seen the deception. Hope someone will benefit from these as much as we have.

See scanned copy of Insight Book page 480, which reads :

In this his accession year he returned to Hattu, and "in the month Shebat [January-February, 624 B.C.E.] he took the vast booty of Hattu to Babylon." (AssyrianandBabylonianChronicles, by A. K. Grayson, 1975, p. 100)

Now look at the actual scanned page from this very book I checked out from the library. Page 100 Notice there is NO date!! Look closer at the Insight Book Scan. In brackets they insert the date 624 B.C.E. inside the quotation marks. Clearly anyone reading this would never question that the date 624 B.C.E. was actually the date given by this renouned scholar.

Then, lets look at scanned page 19 from this same book. Notice what date A.K. Grayson DOES give: 605 B.C.E. NOT 624 B.C.E.!!! Interesting that the Society has to alter the Battle of Carchemishs dates because they have changed the date of the destruction of Jerusalem.

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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Why is 537BCE important?

by whereami in

in very layman's terms can some help me why this date is important to the jw 607 theory?

i'm trying to show my wife that the wts is wrong on the 607 date.

i told her that no respected scholar agrees with that date.

Lady Liberty

Dear Whereami, I also thought you may appreciate this previous post. Sincerely, Lady Liberty Hi everyone,

I just made this chart for my brother-in-law using the Bible as well as the book entitled Assyrian & Babylonian Chronicles by A.K. Grayson printed in 1975. Grayson is a world renound expert used to decipher the Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles for the British Museum. I checked out this book from the local library. Although they had to send away to a College University for it. A interesting note: the Society uses this very book in the Insight Vol.2 under Nebuchadnezzar to support their dates. When I got this book, it was for the purpose of checking their dates and quotes of this author. As you will see by this chart, they have misquoted him to serve their own deceitful purpose! I included scriptures that support the chronicles. Like I said, I made this for my brother-in-law, but thought someone out there might be able to use it.

Have a great night!

Lady Liberty

The Seventy Years: 609 to 539 BCE

609- Nabopolassars 17 th reignal year. Babylon was dominating all surrounding nations. See Jer. 25:11, 25:17- 26. 27:6-8, 12-13(All the nations will have to SERVE the king of Babylon seventy years.) The 70 years begin. ( Babylonian Chronicle 3- BM 21901)

607- Nabopolassars 19 th reignal year. Nebuchadnessar was not even in power yet! He was only a crowned prince at this time. (Babylonian Chronicle 4 –BM 22047)

605- Nabopolassars 21 st reignal year. Battle of Carchemish , between Egypt and Babylon. Nabopolassar dies and Nebuchadnezar accends the thrown. This is year 0 for Nebuchadnezzars reign. Daniel finds himself exiled to Babylon, as well as the Royal offspring of Jerusalem, the utensils of the house of Jehovah were carried to Babylon. See Daniel 1- 2:1. Jer. 29:1,20 (Babylonian Chronicle 5- BM 21946)

603- Nebuchadnezzars second reignal year. See. Dan. 2:1

586/587- Jerusalem burned. Nebuchadnessars ninteenth reignal year. See Jer. 52:12-16 (There were still lowly ones left remaining in the city.)

562-End of Nebuchadnezzars reign.

557-Neriglissars third reignal year. ( Chronicle 6 –BM 25124)

556- Nabonidus becomes King. (Nabonidus Chronicle 7- BM35382)

539- 70 are fullfilled. Nabonidus is King of Babylon at this time. Cyrus overtakes Babylon in one night. Handwriting on the wall. Jews released from servitude. See- Dan. 5:25-26 Jer. 25: 12 ( Nabonidus Chronicle: Chronicle 7-BM 36304)

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Why is 537BCE important?

by whereami in

in very layman's terms can some help me why this date is important to the jw 607 theory?

i'm trying to show my wife that the wts is wrong on the 607 date.

i told her that no respected scholar agrees with that date.

Lady Liberty

Dear Whereami,

Elsewhere posted this from a previous thread. I think it may help you:

Here is something originally on Quotes web site. It is now on Reexamine.org

http://www.reexamine.org/quotes/607bce-table.htm

Regnal Years of Babylonian Kings During Occupation of Jerusalem

Timeline Overview Table

This chart summarizes the Watch Tower Society quotes collected and presented elsewhere (http://Reexamine.Quotes/607bce.htm). Please refer to that page for verification of the kingly succession and regnal years presented below.

Remember: for BCE dates, going backwards in time means the numbers get bigger (i.e. counting backwards in time: 3 CE, 2 CE, 1 CE, 1 BCE, 2 BCE, 3 BCE, ... 539 BCE, 540 BCE, 541 BCE, etc.)

Begin counting backwards in time from: the fall of Babylon to the Persians (539 BCE) in the 17th year of the reign of Nabonidus
Count backwards in time back to: the fall of Jerusalem to Babylonians under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar II (during his 18th regnal year)

Summary of Babylonian kings reigning over Jerusalem

Calendar Year	Nabonidus: 17 yrs	Labashi-Marduk: < 9 months	Neriglissar: 4 yrs	Evil-Merodach 2 yrs	Nebuchadnezzar II 43 yrs
539 BCE	17
540	16
541	15
542	14
543	13
544	12
545	11
546	10
547	9
548	8
549	7
550	6
551	5
552	4
553	3
554	2
555	1
556	0 (accession year)	less than 9 months	4
557			3
558			2
559			1
560			0 (accession year)	2
561				1
562				0 (accession year)	43
563					42
564					41
565					40
566					39
567					38
568					37
569					36
570					35
571					34
572					33
573					32
574					31
575					30
576					29
577					28
578					27
579					26
580					25
581					24
582					23
583					22
584					21
585					20
586					19
587					18 *
588					17
589					16
590					15
591					14
592					13
592					12
594					11
595					10
596					9
597					8
598					7
599					6
600					5
601					4
602					3
603					2
604					1
605 BCE					0 (accession year)

* Watch Tower Society and "wordly scholars and historians" agree that Nebuchadnezzar II conquered Jerusalem during his 18th regnal year. Therefore, according to Watch Tower Society's chronology of the kings of Babylon and the lengths of their reigns, Nebuchadnezzar II conquered Jerusalem in the year 587 BCE (i.e. not 607 BCE).